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Post  Spock on Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:43 pm



//i34nf5h8k / Ha Ryun, the King Maker of former Korea, the Chosun Kingdom,
the first Prime Minister, a founding father of the country.
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Post  Dice on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:04 pm

Confucian official. And it's teaching is still in place in todays Korea, much moreso then in China.

Reminds me.....if western people would have some manners I'd have a easier (and more pleasurable)
time talking with them. Instead I deal mostly with imbeciles. In real live situation none of them would
dare speak the way the do sometimes online.
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Post  Spock on Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:29 pm

Dice wrote:Confucian official. And it's teaching is still in place in today's Korea, much more so than in China.

Yes, indeed.

He is our (my family's) direct ancestor - the same bloodline (believe it or not).
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Post  Dice on Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:39 pm

Uhmm....if that were true you would have just really offended him with your behavior (you know what I mean), I wasn't...but uhmm, you would have deeply dishonored him (with these words)... according to Confucian doctrine, and I happen to know quite a bit about it. A Korean would NEVER say something like that, hehe, EVER.

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Post  Spock on Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:25 pm

Ha ha... yeah i might have offended him more ways than you describe...

하연(河演) Ha Yeon - He was another Prime Minister of Korea - the Chosun Kingdom.
He was among many scholars produced by the family.


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하자종(河自宗)의 아들 하연(河演)은 특히 역사에 기록된 인물이다. 그는 학문이 높아 재상(宰相)의 원로였고, 유림(儒林)의 우두머리였다. 고 문효공봉안문(文孝公奉安文)에 적혀있다. 왕의 신임이 두터워 경연(經筵)에 나아갔고, '地理誌'를 편찬했을뿐 아니라 '五禮儀'를 찬집한 저명한 학자였다.
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Post  Dice on Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:44 pm

I can't believe you, sorry. You know why, you don't give me face.

Let's rather talk about Freemasonry. I think that it was very good until it got connected with the other organisations like the Knights of Malta, Rosecrucians, and the other many branches...they all lead to Rome....and the Freemasons wanted to get away from that and create a different world, now they are getting used by them I think.
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Post  Spock on Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:15 pm

These and others can be called the "Freemasons" of Korea.

They built a new country based on Confucian ideals of ethics, morals, and virtues. The ideals stood for the development of morals and characters of the individual, and stressed the government be run by virtuous men who understood and respected the divine nature of every man, woman, and children. These values (IMO) are similar to those of true European Freemason.

This is one reason why i became a mason - it runs in my blood i guess...

As to your (not) believing in my blood line, it matters not. i have stated it, and as you can see it is relevant to our discussion of Freemasonry. i will discuss the infiltrations on my next post.
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Post  Dice on Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:19 pm

Can you then also state why you once used another persons picture and posted it as if it were you when talking to me in the past?

I would really like to know why you did that.
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Post  Spock on Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:59 pm

i really have no idea - if i did i must have forgotten - sorry if i confused you in the past.

My new daughter was named in part after our ancestor 하연 (河演)
Her name adds a character meaning 'little' 하소연 (河小演).

i discovered later another person (an actress) in Korea,
bearing the same name as my daughter.

Actress Ha Soyeon 하소연
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Post  Dice on Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:21 pm

i really have no idea - if i did i must have forgotten - sorry if i confused you in the past.

This is why I don't believe what you say about who you are. You forget something like that, how are you able to remember who you are when you forget that you sometimes pretend to be someone else?

You would think the same way if you were to be walking in my shoes.

I told you how you could change that, but you refused to give me face and that's why I think you have something to hide, and that's your true identity.
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Post  Spock on Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:45 pm

i have written thousands of posts, some rhetorical, some "playful" And i don't recall your reference posted perhaps years ago. there was a time at mtsar we had a major identity crisis - a lot of confusion.

Anyway...

The masonry had been infiltrated by a number of special interest groups, not to mention the Illuminati and the organized gangsters of Jewish origin, etc., etc. The Jews for example stole Kabala from Egypt and called it their own: Cabala (one little change). As much of masonic philosophy is based on Kabala, it is wrongly believed to be Jewish.

The mythical origin of Freemasonry is Atlantis (which i also mentioned). All knowledge came from Atlantis (including Egypt). The Egyptians (former Atlanteans) brought the knowledge to all parts of the world. f/e, Hinduism did not originate from India. It was their (Indians) adaptation of Atlatean/Egyptian teachings for their own race/culture. Therefore, they were allowed to call it their own. This was repeated when Hinduism was brought to East Asia, it became Buddhism when adjusted to the people living there (China, Korea, and Japan). It is this mythical origin that contains much of the mysteries surrounding Freemasonry and also lies in it are the deepest "secrets" of the craft - called the "Royal Secrets."
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Post  Dice on Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:48 pm

Legend has it that Atlantis declined and lost the battle against the people of MU, while plunging the entire world into destruction. It is possible that Atlantean civilisation first appeared on the European or American continent...or that it now lies somewhere at the bottom of some ocean..
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Post  Dice on Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:22 pm

Sorry I had a very long post but I lost it.

I know that the Masons originated in Egypt and how special Egypt is. I never had the opportunity to visit but my parents are adicted Razz
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Post  Dice on Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:33 am

And concerning your identity, it does not matter who your ancestors were but who you decide to be, not only for yourself but also for others, how you treat your fellow humans, if you are fair in your dealings and have a honest intent. This determines what you are and for who you will be remembered...and if you have honored your ancestors, whoever they may be. There are so many Masons or Rosecrucians and other groups today that claim great ancestry all the way to Egypt and up to Atlantis, but a claim is futile if it is only by name and not also by a spiritual bond. To ignore this simple truth is the big error of todays selfproclaimed contemporaries. To be a true master is not something one can inherit or be granted. One cannot inherit Tai Chi, one must master it and proof to be worthy before given the final keys. And these final keys are not granted by a human force, but by the elements themselfs. A Sorcerer can't command them, and a Master does not bribe evil spirits, because he must not, he is one with the elemental force.






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Post  Spock on Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:43 am

You have Indo European blood, which has strong genetic ties to Atlantis. The origin of East Asian is not clear - though there are speculations of Lemuria (Mu) being the source of their DNA. Mu is older than Atlantis and thus its descendants are more mixed with the natives than that of Atlantis.

You should be proud of your close genetic link to Atlantis.

My father was dismissed from the family shrine for refusing to honor our ancestors. Being a christian, he asserted ancestor worship is akin to "idol worship," etc., and my grandfather did not like that. So, i was in the dark for most of my life until i decided to investigate my own genealogy.
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Post  Dice on Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:54 pm

All of humanity is one family, nobody will be left behind and nobody will be forgotton. This is how we do.




Ua Mau Ke Ea O Ka Aina I Ka Pono O Hawai'i
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Post  Spock on Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:12 pm

Dice wrote:All of humanity is one family, nobody will be left behind and nobody will be forgotton.

That is the whole idea, isn't it? that is how it should be...
Alas... often not.

The masons have largely failed in Amerika, so did the Korean version of it.
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Post  Dice on Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:48 pm

I think it's our times and it's a pretty big collective failure....

By the way, I borrowed me a theme from you,
but you know,
a parody is the greatest compliment
one can actually get.

Those who can't laugh over themselfs are poor soul indeed.
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Post  Spock on Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:24 pm

Stand by...

i am a bit busy right now with work and a family of 5.5 (.5 being our dog).
i will post as i find time.





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Post  Dice on Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:55 am



You properbly know that Salvador Allende was a Freemason.
He got murdered by Pinochet who was also a Mason.

The song that features the final words of Allende to the people of Chile
was made by a friend of mine..
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Post  Dice on Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:14 pm

Have you read Hesse?



As every flower fades and as all youth
Departs, so life at every stage,
So every virtue, so our grasp of truth,
Blooms in its day and may not last forever.
Since life may summon us at every age
Be ready, heart, for parting, new endeavor,
Be ready bravely and without remorse
To find new light that old ties cannot give.
In all beginnings dwells a magic force
For guarding us and helping us to live.
Serenely let us move to distant places
And let no sentiments of home detain us.

The Cosmic Spirit seeks not to restrain us
But lifts us stage by stage to wider spaces.
If we accept a home of our own making,
Familiar habit makes for indolence.
We must prepare for parting and leave-taking
Or else remain the slave of permamence.
Even the hour of our death may send
Us speeding on to fresh and newer spaces,
And life may summon us to newer races.
So be it, heart: bid farewell without end.



A difficult book but one of the better ones from this boring 20th century..

And of course I am a steppenwolf...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbATaj7Il8
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Post  Spock on Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:32 pm

Long time ago, i read parts of it at school - i don't remember much right now.
is there a reason why you mention it?


Edit:

Ah... i remember...

i read Siddhartha... he is a wonderful writer. i cried while reading it
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Post  Spock on Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:03 pm

Many a book i have read in my life, and not one moved me so much as Siddhartha,
by Hermann Hesse.

More than a dozen years since i read that book.

Even today,
i think of it from time to time... when i reflect upon my own life...

Yes, it was him who wrote it, wasn't it?... why did it sounded so familiar...
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Post  Dice on Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:16 am

...Here we have a fantastic writer but most esoteric circles greatly overlook him?

"Visita interiora terrae, rectificando invenies occultum lapidem"

It is quite obvious that Hesse wrote in the spirit of freemasonic traditions. His last work "Magister Ludi" talks about a man (Knecht/Servant) who decides to leave the order. The first half of the book explains the "game" ("Magister Ludi" can also be seen as a pun: lud- is a Latin stem meaning both "game" and "school.") and the sudden death of the protagonist shortly after leaving. The second half we are to read three "works" of Knecht...which rather sound like memories of old reincarnations of Hesse himself.

Originally the glass bead game was based on math and music but later developed into a humanistic game.

I guess that Hesse was a Mason without apron, or maybe he left a lodge but I don't know. The glass bead game confronts us with the question if the intellectually gifted have a right to withdraw from life's big problems.


Lonesome Night

You brothers, who are mine,
Poor people, near and far,
Longing for every star,
Dream of relief from pain,
You, stumbling dumb
At night, as pale stars break,
Lift your thin hands for some
Hope, and suffer, and wake,
Poor muddling commonplace,
You sailors who must live
Unstarred by hopelessness,
We share a single face.
Give me my welcome back.



Serak wrote:

Dice wrote: And of course I am a steppenwolf...

Have you read the book and if so what is your opinion of it?

In my opinion it is his best work....but this has more to do with me than his other books,
I also loved Siddharta and many other works, but Steppenwolf was the first that really
touched me because it is one of the most honest thoughts expressed.....I've ever read.
And very true as well....
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Post  Dice on Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:47 am

Hesse quoted Novalis (Georg Philipp Friedrich Freiherr von Hardenberg)

"where then do we go?" - "towards home, always....homewards"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novalis
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